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hello and welcome to episode number 70

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always

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i am your host exo academian

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for those who've spent decades searching

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for answers to the elusive yet seemingly

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ever-present enigma colloquially known

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as the ufo phenomenon

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the last several years have been a

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whirlwind of activity and revelations

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it is well understood by those veteran

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to this field that elements within the

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u.s government spent decades not only

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covering up details that made it

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abundantly clear that there really was a

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there there that we were being visited

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by non-human intelligences operating

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craft of the most sophisticated nature

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but they simultaneously sought to

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silence those who sought to proclaim

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this very fact to the masses

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using a combination of scorn and

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ridicule at minimum and personal and

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professional attacks and even violence

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when necessary at maximum

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the u.s government's general approach to

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the matter of the ufo phenomenon was to

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squelch public interest in this topic

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while simultaneously doing its darndest

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to understand it

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of course part of the reason why that

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approach remained static for so long is

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that the secret keepers didn't make much

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headway in terms of really getting to

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the bottom of the enigma

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yes there have been crashes and crash

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retrievals along the way including a

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craft that evidence now seemingly

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suggests we did manage to bring down on

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occasion

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and there apparently have been some

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major technological breakthroughs as a

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result

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but the real root of this issue still

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remains elusive

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and here i speak of the identity of the

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beings who are parading around our skies

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with impunity and who are interacting

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with and sometimes taking aboard their

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craft and into what appeared to be other

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apparent domains of existence

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civilians who the military is powerless

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to protect even if it wanted to

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this is not to say that these so-called

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abductions are purely malevolent in

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intent but merely to point out that when

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you get down to it part of the reason

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the government has kept this under wraps

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for so long is that they have zero

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ability to police the skies within our

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nation-state borders

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and thus they are failing in one of the

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core tenets of what makes a nation-state

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viable to begin with

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in other words why should a populist

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ascribe authority to a government

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structure when it is simply unable to

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ensure the smooth running of a society

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with even the most basic guarantee as to

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citizen safety

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not only is the notion of so-called

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protected airspace rendered meaningless

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by these others as they buzz in and

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around our skies

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but so too are physical boundaries like

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locks doors walls and the like

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when they want these others can appear

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in your room in the middle of the night

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and there's nothing the government or

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anyone else can do to prevent it

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and here i really do mean literally

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nothing

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and this is because these others have

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demonstrated the ability to control

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consciousness itself

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thus even if you stationed an entire

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military brigade outside a known

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abductee's house

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these alien beings would make child's

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play of getting around these safe cards

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including by putting the entire troop

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into a deep sleep or simply putting them

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into a temporary state of suspended

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animation until they are done with their

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as i mentioned at the outset the

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government's about face in recent years

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really has taken long-term ufologists by

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surprise

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these veteran researchers spend so many

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decades trying to get the government to

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open up about what it knows about ufos

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and the beings operating them

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that many of them have been shocked by

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how quickly things have been changing as

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of late

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for the first time in history we really

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do seem to be on the verge of full-blown

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disclosure

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and by that i mean not only the

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acknowledgement that some of the craft

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and phenomena being spotted regularly in

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our skies are not the property of the us

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military or any other known nation-state

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but also that we are being visited by

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non-human entities of a sophisticated

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nature who seem to rank higher on the

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proverbial food chain than do we human

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heady days indeed and again everything

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i'm hearing from my sources suggests

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this really is happening we really are

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on the cusp of a civilization changing

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series of disclosures

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announcements that will unquestionably

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and irreversibly change the way we human

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beings think about ourselves within the

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larger context of an immense ancient and

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multi-dimensional cosmos

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but we again come to the real question

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who are these others where are they

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coming from how long have they been here

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what are their intentions how many of

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them are there are they one group or

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these are the fascinating yet daunting

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matters we'll seek to engage with from

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the vantage point of a towering thirty

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thousand foot view overlooking the

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multi-dimensional landscape if you will

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in this the 70th episode of the point of

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[Music]

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as we embark on this new episode

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let me begin by saying welcome back

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i've been gone over the summer at least

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from this podcast although i've been

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very busy with writing a book

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and doing field research as it were it's

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been an exciting summer and i'm looking

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forward to reporting on some of that in

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the future both in this episode and

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episodes to come

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a couple of announcements i'd like to

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make before we proceed with today's

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topic

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first of all i'm excited to be one of

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the speakers at an event in new york

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city coming up on october 8th titled an

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inquiry into anomalous experiences and

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the phenomenon an intimate one day

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conference in the heart of new york city

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i'll be presenting at this conference

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along with several well-known others and

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you can both attend the conference in

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person or take in the live stream and

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from my understanding the conference

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will be made available at a later time

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for people to listen to and watch

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youtube videos of and the entire thing

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will be shot professionally so it should

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be a very engaging event discussing

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cutting edge topics that we often

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discuss on this podcast and i'm very

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i'd also like to take a moment to give a

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shout out to my patreon supporters and

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supporters starting this fall that will

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and in addition i will be doing ask me

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anything sessions on occasion as well

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that is specifically for patreon

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all right enough of that preamble let's

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get on to today's topic it is a big one

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a 30 000 foot view discussion of the ufo

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phenomenon

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now as i mentioned in the introduction

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there are different notions about who

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these others are and where they're

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coming from and how they're getting here

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even how long they've been here and of

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course another major question perhaps

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the key overarching question is are they

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one group is the ufo phenomenon a

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singular matter or is it actually more

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like a pluriverse of different kinds of

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entities coming in perhaps through very

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different means and ways

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first off let's discuss

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extraterrestrials as outlined in the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis

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now some of you who've been on this

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podcast with me since the beginning will

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be quite familiar with this but some

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people have entered the fray later on so

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to speak and so i want to take the time

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to outline each of these and also talk

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about how some of them overlap and some

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of the clear delineations aren't as

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clear as they might seem at first blush

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even for those who've been studying this

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now when we speak of extraterrestrials

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we should of course first note that it

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is largely an assumption amongst

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that the cosmos is likely teeming with

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cannot sustain life as we understand it

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because there are so many galaxies

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many planets in each solar system

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planets like earth that life should

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cosmos even if it is the exception to

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the rule because again the cosmos is so

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immense we should have plenty of life

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now those who are skeptical to the

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notion that ets could be visiting us

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however will point out that the universe

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is simply too large and the speed of

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light simply too slow

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to make interstellar and especially

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intergalactic travel even possible

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what they're getting at here is that

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even if you could approach the speed of

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light with sophisticated spacecraft the

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distances between galaxies are so

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immense that you would still never get

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here or even if you did get here it

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would take many many many generations in

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other words it just does not seem very

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plausible to achieve interstellar travel

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in any kind of robust way and on a

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really are likely talking about

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interstellar and intergalactic travel

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because initially earlier in the 20th

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century before we understood much about

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the nature of the planets of our own

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many people assumed there likely was

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life in planets like mars and venus our

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in fact part of the confusion is that

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some of the early apparent visitors to

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our planet that were extraterrestrial in

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nature or at least claimed to be

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said they were coming from such planets

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like mars and venus now this begs the

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question why would they tell us this if

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is there any way it could be true that

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it's difficult to imagine how they would

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be coming from there based on what we

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know of those planets at least if they

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are the kind of life that we consider

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other words as time went on and we

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realized how lifeless and barren the

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planets of this solar system appear to

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be

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we therefore assume that if there is et

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life out there it is likely far beyond

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our solar system in other star systems

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within the milky way galaxy and even

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beyond that in other galaxies altogether

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and of course there we're talking about

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extremely immense distances

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now to those who would say skeptically

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that these distances make interstellar

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travel unlikely if not impossible i

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would merely counter with the notion

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that even in today's understanding of

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physics we assume you could harness

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something like a wormhole in order to

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close space or fold space as it were and

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therefore really cut down on the time it

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would take to travel between star

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systems or even potentially between

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galaxies even potentially between one

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part of the physical universe and

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another part almost at the very other

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end so according to modern physics it is

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possible and we've even done some work

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trying to imagine at least theoretically

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how you could harness and stabilize a

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wormhole to make such travel possible

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however there is an interesting wrinkle

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when it comes to the nature of

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space-time and how real it actually is

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and we'll get to that later in this

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episode

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but to be clear extraterrestrials are

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certainly possible

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we have been told by them some of them

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that they are indeed extraterrestrials

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and even mainstream science thinks it's

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possible even likely that they exist

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although again the question is could

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they feasibly get here

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although again just to point out what i

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just said one more time via wormholes

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and the like you certainly could and

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that's even based on our current 21st

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century science

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lest we get bogged down in insane

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degrees of hubris let's of course

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consider the fact that if a civilization

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exists that's thousands of years beyond

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us in terms of technological development

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then likely they've found ways to close

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that distance in ways we have not even

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imagined yet

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next up we have the notion of

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interdimensionals now here we're still

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dealing with physical universes but with

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the notion that perhaps there are many

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or numerous timelines sometimes when

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people talk about interdimensionals

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they're actually referring to beings

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coming to us from a different timeline

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or even from a different point within

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the same timeline as in time travelers

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from the past or the future

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either way you still have space time but

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within that you have the notion of

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multiple universes and perhaps beings

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that can traverse the distance between

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these universes although once again

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distance is kind of the wrong term to

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use because these dimensions would

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basically be like narrow panes of glass

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sitting right next to each other and

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once you knew how to do it the distance

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wouldn't be the issue it's about how do

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you traverse the

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membrane separating one physical

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universe from another

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now here we should point out that it was

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theorists such as jacques vallee in the

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1960s and 70s that first proposed the

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notion that perhaps these beings that

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were visiting us were actually

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interdimensional in nature rather than

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extraterrestrial

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because of the high strangeness

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associated with the way they would

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interact with us and the way they would

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interact and seemingly manipulate

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space-time it is malleable to them

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apparently that's what ballet noticed

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when he took in as a totality all the

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experiencer reports

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as valet has famously said what the ufo

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phenomenon makes clear to us is that we

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do not understand space-time

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but for instance when you take into

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account how these craft for instance

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seem to just pop into existence in the

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sky we don't see where they came from

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they just pop in as if they're coming in

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from somewhere else quote unquote and

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they exit in the same manner

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this amongst a myriad of high

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strangeness led theorists such as valley

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and others to postulate that perhaps

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these were interdimensional beings

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now of course we should point out here

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that this notion arose because this was

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cutting-edge physics of the time

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physicists were trying to make sense of

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why our universe was seemingly so

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fine-tuned for us and for the

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development of life which hinted towards

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a creator an intelligent design if you

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will

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so what physicists came up with was the

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notion of multiple universes and that

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perhaps every time you come to a

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decision point one universe splits into

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two and that happens again and again so

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a universe is being born every

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millisecond in fact in a much smaller

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fraction of time than that

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and that therefore perhaps if this is

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true that these multiple universes exist

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right alongside each other then valley

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and others postulated perhaps they're

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popping in from one of those universes

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and then popping back out when they're

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done

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but here we should point out that at

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present there is precisely zero evidence

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to suggest these other universes

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actually exist

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again within physics this was a notion

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that was postulated to explain why our

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universe appeared so well fine-tuned to

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life so again it's a theoretical

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postulation not something that has been

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empirically observed that's a key

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distinction to make

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that said even if multiple universes

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don't actually exist in the way that

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physics has postulated they might that

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doesn't mean the notion of multiple

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dimensions isn't useful in fact i think

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it is largely essential that we think

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about these others and their origin

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sources as being like different

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dimensions

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but here i think more about

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reality being a vibrational wavelength

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and that you have multiple wavelengths

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coinciding and these represent different

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dimensions

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and when we think back to much of the

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experiencer reports again this notion of

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inter-penetrating realities was front

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and center even early in the 20th

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century before many people were really

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thinking about these kinds of notions

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so this is supported even by the

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experiencer testimony these others that

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have interacted with human beings have

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said they've come from other realities

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that exist right alongside ours

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and in fact when they've raised concerns

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about for instance nuclear fallout

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around the time of the dawn of the

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atomic era one of the things they told

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us is that we don't understand exactly

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how atomic weapons can interpenetrate

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realities that we don't even understand

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exist yet and yet we were told by them

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this is exactly the case

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and this is in addition of course to all

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the damage we're doing to the biosphere

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when we detonate these weapons of mass

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destruction

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now here we should pause to point out

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that this clear delineation between the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis

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and the interdimensional hypothesis is

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not so easy to define

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that in fact even amongst the

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experiencer literature we find lots of

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examples of beings that supposedly

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are both extraterrestrial and

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interdimensional as we're conceiving of

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it here

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again these are not easily separated

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according to the literature some

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entities and entity groups

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began as biological beings but have

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since become post-biological and

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therefore sometimes take on a kind of

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suit when densifying you could say into

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our 3d plus one world space

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and by the way this partly would explain

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why sometimes some grays for instance

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have a somewhat puppet-like nature to

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them they look that way not quite

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organic when people observe them

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now there are some that i think are

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semi-organic ai and that's what people

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are noticing and why they don't exactly

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look organic fully in their demeanor

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but there may be these other kinds that

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are actually light beings of a kind

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post-biological beings who actually

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densifying taking on a suit as it were

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and this is not their true form and

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that's why they look slightly

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puppet-like in their appearance

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and i do understand that's complex and

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confusing i think this is probably the

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most confusing

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discombobulating matter when it comes to

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the ufo phenomenon is that there are

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different groups even different groups

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that look very alike

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now speaking of the way these beings

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look

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there is a vast assortment of types

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you really would need an immense chart

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if you were to describe all the kinds

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that have been observed

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now while allowing for shape shifters

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which certainly are likely part of the

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equation

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we should not be surprised in a kind of

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situation we're describing here with an

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immense cosmos and perhaps even a

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multi-dimensional cosmos that we would

519
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have a vast assortment of types and

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shapes and species etc

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now in more recent years it's the more

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alarming types that have gotten a lot of

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the attention here i speak of insectoid

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types like the mantis beings and of

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course the quintessential grey aliens as

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well as ones such as the reptilians

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which look like a cross between a lizard

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and a human being

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though often standing from up to seven

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to eight feet tall

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but historically especially earlier in

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the 20th century more towards the dawn

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of the modern ufo phenomenon era

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a lot of the sightings were of

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surprisingly human looking beings they

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either looked completely human or they

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looked almost human with slight

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differences almost like a race that

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existed somewhere else in the planet

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that had never been discovered

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now of course many of these settings

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were of human-like entities that looked

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taller than the earth average human and

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they had usually blonde hair and blue

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eyes

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and to some they looked so alike that

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they wondered if perhaps this was the

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fruit of some sort of eugenics program

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but here we should make the point that

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again historically many of the

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human-like entities the alien humans if

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you will that were both spotted and

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interacted with over a long term

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actually often looked very much like

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everyone else on the planet in other

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words they fit within the general

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spectrum of the kinds of human beings

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you would already find here that could

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be people with average height brunettes

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redheads different skin tones etc

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and of course it goes without saying

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that this raises the possibility that

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these others these specific human aliens

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may have been living amongst us with us

565
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,520
being none the wiser and yes in fact

566
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,760
that's much of what is reported amongst

567
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:43,840
the experience for literature pertaining

568
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,799
to these specific kinds of entities that

569
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:49,919
they are here they are observing and to

570
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,880
some degree actually working to change

571
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,440
the priorities of our civilization which

572
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:57,360
is viewed from an extraterrestrial point

573
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,960
of view as very primitive and ongoingly

574
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,200
flirting with self-destruction and

575
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,960
regarding that last point i don't think

576
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,200
any of us could disagree

577
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,960
and by the way many of the reports

578
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,880
earlier in the 20th century in the early

579
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,559
to mid 20th century and a little bit

580
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,679
beyond were with a group known as the

581
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,919
space brothers these were the ones that

582
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,000
looked very human were supposedly coming

583
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,720
from nearby planets and were here on a

584
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,200
peaceful mission to help us turn away

585
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,080
from our self-destructive ways

586
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,679
now of course one of the questions that

587
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,400
arises is if these kinds of sightings

588
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,120
with these kinds of human aliens were so

589
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,120
common in the 20th century

590
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,720
where did they go

591
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,559
why are sightings and interactions with

592
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,600
these others so rare when compared with

593
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,159
say 75 years ago

594
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,480
now of course we should begin by saying

595
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,840
if they don't want to make their

596
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,320
presence known and they are here we

597
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,640
would have no way of really knowing who

598
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,600
they were because they look and act just

599
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,520
like us they apparently have mastered

600
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,919
our language and whatnot and even though

601
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,600
some of the historical cases involved

602
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,919
them wearing strange clothing and

603
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,840
perhaps having mannerisms that didn't

604
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,039
quite fit

605
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,960
over time they could learn those kind of

606
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,559
things to a sufficient degree that they

607
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,919
would blend in

608
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,400
seamlessly that's one reason why we

609
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,400
might not get so many accounts today

610
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,640
they may just be living amongst us

611
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,520
without us being any the wiser in fact

612
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,919
i'm sure that is going on

613
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,360
but there's something else that comes

614
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,720
into play too

615
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,400
again according to the experience for

616
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,120
literature there were overtures made by

617
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:35,840
this group to government groups to try

618
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,200
and help provide technology and means to

619
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,679
begin to transform the nature of our

620
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,240
civilization to make it less

621
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,880
damaging to the planet and less divisive

622
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,120
amongst different people groups

623
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,200
now as the narrative goes and again i

624
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,559
think there's actually a fair amount of

625
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,000
evidence for this

626
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,240
these overtures were declined by the

627
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,880
governments of the time maybe perhaps

628
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,799
because these governments didn't believe

629
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,559
that their adversaries for instance the

630
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,600
soviet union would follow suit and this

631
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:07,039
would give for instance the united

632
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,080
states

633
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,640
a disadvantage comparatively especially

634
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,120
if part of the agreement was involving

635
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:15,039
disarmament

636
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,400
this would have been in the midst of the

637
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,720
cold war and perhaps the government at

638
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,360
the time thought this was not wise again

639
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,679
many of us would question that decision

640
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,440
but nevertheless that's apparently what

641
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,640
happened

642
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,120
what we also hear is that after being

643
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,080
declined by the governments of the land

644
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,640
opted for more of a grassroots

645
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,960
approach where they interacted with

646
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,760
certain key individuals on an individual

647
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,279
basis and that they are doing this

648
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,600
across the planet in such a way as to

649
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,559
produce a kind of bottom-up ground swell

650
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,720
that could still in the long term

651
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,840
transform the civilization

652
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,080
okay that accounts for the human-looking

653
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,799
ones the human aliens if you will

654
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:58,720
what about the quintessential grey

655
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,000
aliens are those all the baddies as some

656
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,080
people would like to suggest

657
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,080
i would say that's much too narrow a

658
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,520
definition

659
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,840
i think the grays are quite common and

660
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,360
evidence would suggest there are

661
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,080
multiple groups here and in fact that's

662
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,000
indeed what some of the graves tell

663
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,760
people is that there are different

664
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,600
groups and that's part of the confusion

665
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,640
is that

666
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,960
human beings see a certain type and then

667
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:25,840
ascribe a certain group of behaviors to

668
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,960
this group as a totality we know among

669
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,720
some of the racial problems we've had

670
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,200
within our own species that this happens

671
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,000
far too often that stereotypes are

672
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,840
assigned to certain people just because

673
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,480
they look a certain way i think some of

674
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,360
that goes on here as well we see a

675
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,000
general gray alien and then we lump them

676
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,320
all together and sometimes even reduce

677
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,640
the complexity of the behavior to make

678
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,279
this short list of common themes that

679
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,559
stand out

680
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,640
but i think often this doesn't do

681
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,960
justice to the complexity of the

682
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:01,200
experiencer reports and the nature of

683
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,559
these beings

684
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,880
and in fact it may be even more complex

685
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,000
than this

686
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,919
it may be that these beings are coming

687
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:09,919
from a different kind of reality and

688
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,880
when they translate into this reality

689
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,120
this is the form they take this is the

690
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,840
way they look to us anyway almost like

691
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,480
an icon and again we think of donald

692
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,320
hoffman's work and how he talks about

693
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,880
space time itself is actually just an

694
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,440
organization of icons that evolution has

695
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,080
served up for us to see and interact

696
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,400
with when really they don't reflect the

697
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,159
underlying reality

698
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,400
in the same way these grays might not

699
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,480
actually look like this in their true

700
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:40,720
nature or they may not have a spatial

701
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,600
temporal sort of representation at all

702
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,760
but when they densify again to use that

703
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,960
word creatively into this reality as we

704
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,279
perceive it they end up looking like

705
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,120
this this might also explain the

706
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,840
complexity of behaviors and agendas

707
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,080
we've heard reported that really cover

708
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,159
the gamut

709
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,400
now as complex as is the

710
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,360
extraterrestrial slash interdimensional

711
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,559
conversation

712
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,240
there are additional types that have

713
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,720
been described and postulated

714
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,360
one is that of an ultra-terrestrial and

715
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,200
hal put off recently published a paper

716
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,200
that he wrote some years ago that

717
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,520
outlines what these may be like and how

718
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,159
we may be interacting with some of these

719
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,880
now what is an ultra-terrestrial

720
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,440
one definition is that of a superior

721
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,840
non-human entity of natural or

722
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,640
supernatural origin that is indigenous

723
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,520
to planet earth here i point out that

724
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,600
they are kind of here and not here or

725
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,320
here plus somewhere else they are often

726
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,279
described as cross domain entities and

727
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,960
this again partly explains some of the

728
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,039
strange behavior we noticed where they

729
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,960
seem to be able to pop in and pop out of

730
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,320
our reality

731
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,960
maybe because they exist here but also

732
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:54,720
somewhere else

733
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,000
now not only are ufo aliens lumped into

734
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,559
this group but so too are traditional

735
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,440
types like fairies and elves

736
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,440
many paranormal researchers believe

737
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,720
these beings are ultra-terrestrials

738
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,559
now closely associated to this

739
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,440
ultra-terrestrial type are once known as

740
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,440
cryptoterrestrials

741
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,600
as defined by the late researcher and

742
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,600
writer mac tonys

743
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,520
now cryptoterrestrials

744
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:23,679
lack some of the supernatural aspects

745
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,480
that are sometimes ascribed to

746
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,520
ultra-terrestrials and they aren't

747
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,080
necessarily cross-domain entities in

748
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,559
other words they are beings a sister

749
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,360
humanoid species fully indigenous to the

750
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,320
earth and only existing here but perhaps

751
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,120
having certain evolutionary capacities

752
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:43,520
that allow them to hide their presence

753
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,880
from us much of the time

754
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,039
now earlier we mentioned that beings

755
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,279
that are coming across time or across

756
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,000
timelines are also known sometimes as a

757
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,919
kind of interdimensional

758
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,279
but let's give that a little bit more

759
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,200
attention right now

760
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,840
according to dr michael masters who is

761
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,240
an evolutionary anthropologist who knows

762
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,000
that of which he speaks

763
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,760
he believes the evidence suggests that

764
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,399
the grey aliens we're so familiar with

765
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,159
are actually what he calls

766
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,679
extratempestrials

767
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,480
and very specifically that they are us

768
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,799
from the future they are human beings

769
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,960
who have further evolved to look now

770
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,520
like a gray alien who are coming back in

771
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,000
time according to him perhaps because

772
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,000
they now have an impoverished genetic

773
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,000
pool and they are coming to take some of

774
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,960
our dna to refresh their stock as it

775
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,520
were and this would partly explain some

776
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,159
of the strange genetic experiments and

777
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,080
even the hybridization programs we are

778
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,000
seeing

779
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,000
as a quick aside by the way while we're

780
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,240
on this topic i should point out that

781
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,360
one of the narratives around one of the

782
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,640
extraterrestrial groups that are here

783
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,720
that are not purely benign in their

784
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,799
intentions toward us but are also not

785
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,240
malevolent

786
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,039
is that they too are here to try to

787
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,960
refresh their stock that they are now

788
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,200
diseased and that they have certain

789
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,440
compatibilities with human beings

790
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,919
specifically certain human beings and

791
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,159
therefore that certain bloodlines have

792
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,559
been targeted for experimentation

793
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:14,960
hybridization programs for the taking of

794
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,679
fetuses and sperm and eggs and whatnot

795
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,559
in order to address this malady in their

796
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,399
own genetic stock

797
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,480
so we have this common narrative arising

798
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,120
both amongst the extratempestrials

799
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,600
and the extraterrestrials at least some

800
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,159
of them and by the way i think it's also

801
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,679
important to point out right here that

802
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,000
these are not truly malevolent

803
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,159
intentions they actually are trying to

804
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,559
save their own species and are doing so

805
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:43,360
perhaps through less than above board

806
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,120
means by abducting i.e kidnapping human

807
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,919
beings in order to take genetic material

808
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,440
but my point is just to say that they're

809
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,720
not demonic or evil in that sense and

810
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,880
some people even report being healed by

811
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,720
these beings and whatnot and some even

812
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,279
develop a kind of relationship but it is

813
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,600
a complex situation and it is certainly

814
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,679
not purely benevolent as we would

815
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,600
imagine it although again there are

816
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,840
other groups even other groups of graves

817
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,919
who people do report having those kinds

818
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,240
of relationships with again it is a

819
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,480
complex tapestry and we do it a

820
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,640
disservice when we try to reduce it just

821
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,630
the complexity we've thus far outlined

822
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,120
only gets more complex from here

823
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:28,960
because we also have to add in the group

824
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,919
known as the celestials or by some as

825
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:34,159
the extra dimensionals

826
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,679
now here we should first of all

827
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:38,240
distinguish between celestials slash

828
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,679
extra dimensionals and post biologicals

829
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,240
for instance even the zetas from

830
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,399
apparently the zetas reticuli system

831
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,279
which are originally extraterrestrials

832
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,440
some of them reportedly are now post

833
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,880
biological

834
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,120
but this does not make them celestials

835
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,840
as this category is often considered

836
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,399
celestials or extra dimensionals are

837
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,760
just that

838
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,919
beings that are outside space and time

839
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,480
altogether and we're never part of that

840
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,880
construct so they're not merely post

841
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,760
biological they are trans biological

842
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,480
altogether these are the celestials or

843
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,039
extra dimensionals and a good example of

844
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,279
this would be the beings of light that

845
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,240
dorothy iset famously encountered which

846
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:23,600
you can learn more about if you're

847
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,360
interested in episodes 34 and 35 which

848
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,519
was dedicated specifically to her

849
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,279
encounters

850
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,840
now common notions of angels and demons

851
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,320
also apply in this celestial slash

852
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,559
extra-dimensional category

853
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,320
although please note here i'm referring

854
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,120
to the beings themselves not necessarily

855
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,000
the dogma often attached to them

856
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,679
and speaking of that of course we would

857
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,000
do well to remember that here the notion

858
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,360
of angels and demons is predated by the

859
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,240
notion of demons lest we believe it is

860
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:58,960
somehow unfair or inconsistent to

861
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,840
acknowledge such entities exist while

862
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,519
not necessarily adopting certain

863
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:05,840
religious perspectives about them from

864
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,200
any one particular religious tradition

865
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,240
now thus far i pointed out how complex

866
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,399
it is to make sense of not only

867
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,880
different entities and different entity

868
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,679
groups but even different origin sources

869
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,840
for different entity groups

870
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,000
but i think it gets even more complex

871
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,080
and interesting from there

872
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,080
because just as important as the

873
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,240
question of who these others are and

874
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:32,240
where they're coming from their origins

875
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,120
i.e

876
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,600
is the question of who we truly are and

877
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,480
what our origins truly are

878
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,080
and to this point i would point out a

879
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,840
couple key elements

880
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,360
number one

881
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,840
the fact that humanoid and human beings

882
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,240
are so often encountered as part of the

883
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,799
experience for literature suggests that

884
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,559
contrary to what mainstream science

885
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:55,200
would have us believe we did not arise

886
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,559
on this planet merely through the

887
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,960
process of evolution originating from

888
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,200
single cell microbial life as the

889
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,960
standard story goes

890
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,880
but that perhaps we are the result of a

891
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,360
vast cosmic seeding program that

892
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,679
happened in the distant past

893
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:11,520
and suggestions are that we may have

894
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,879
been tinkered with enhanced if you will

895
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,200
numerous times since then including

896
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,320
around 70 000 years ago when there seems

897
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,480
to have been distinct cognitive boost

898
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,000
given to us

899
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,760
gary nolan is currently conducting

900
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,919
fascinating and groundbreaking research

901
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,839
to see if we can define

902
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,079
certain biological markers that show

903
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,399
signs of a kind of physiology

904
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,800
unique to experiencers

905
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,800
if so these signs may point to the

906
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,839
latest in evolutionary trends there is

907
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,440
also mounting evidence that

908
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:45,599
neurodivergent people are also more

909
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,560
prone or gifted you might say in

910
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,560
perceiving and interacting with these

911
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,359
expanded elements of reality and of

912
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,520
course here when i talk about evolution

913
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,680
we also mean a kind of engineered

914
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,280
evolution

915
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,760
by the way a common claim of those who

916
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,599
reject the notion that aliens would

917
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,480
follow a moral trajectory similar to our

918
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,640
own is that they share none of our

919
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,320
genetic history

920
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,720
but of course if a humanoid human

921
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,880
seeding program took place in a distant

922
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,440
past that would make some of them are

923
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,000
cousins which would mean that moral

924
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,599
equivalence would not be so outrageous

925
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,280
even amongst groups that look quite

926
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,920
different from us such as the greys

927
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,839
although if you pay close attention even

928
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,119
there yet there are remarkable

929
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,240
similarities by penalism humanoid form

930
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,440
etc

931
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,359
a common theme amongst experiential

932
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,000
literature is that beings can incarnate

933
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,200
into one of numerous forms including the

934
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,079
stereotypical human homo sapien sapien

935
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,280
form and the gray form which again

936
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,079
suggests a consciousness that overlays

937
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,079
both of these different kinds of groups

938
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,480
which would suggest a similar trajectory

939
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,599
in terms of moral development

940
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,000
secondly this ability to communicate via

941
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,040
telepathy mind to mind communication and

942
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:07,040
even for astounding feats such as

943
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,480
telekinesis

944
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,800
impacting physical reality in measurable

945
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,839
ways through mental intention alone

946
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:16,320
is something innate to all sentient

947
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,440
beings

948
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,359
some are just further along than others

949
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,200
in these capacities

950
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,040
again this is telling us something about

951
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,520
the nature of ultimate reality itself i

952
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:26,800
would suggest

953
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,079
is therefore the bedrock that underlies

954
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,720
physical reality and this is precisely

955
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,040
why matter bends to the will of

956
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,160
conscious agents once this capacity has

957
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,950
now speaking of this notion that

958
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,520
space-time may actually be a derivative

959
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,599
of something more primary like

960
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,079
consciousness here we should note that

961
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,400
the notion that space-time is doomed

962
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,359
is not my wishful thinking just as a way

963
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,359
to imagine a scenario where the

964
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,040
phenomena we're seeing with the ufo

965
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,440
phenomenon paranormality and psi

966
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,599
phenomena could be real

967
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,240
but rather that cutting-edge physicists

968
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,480
such as ed whitton and nima arkhani

969
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:13,599
hamed are telling us this is the case

970
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,560
they're saying space-time is doomed

971
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:18,560
and their conclusions have nothing to do

972
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,920
with ufos aliens and paranormality

973
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:23,920
they're seeing this as being evidenced

974
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:26,800
based on what physics itself is telling

975
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,520
them

976
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:29,920
and to be clear when they say space time

977
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,880
is doomed what they mean is evidence is

978
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,800
suggesting there is a deeper level of

979
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,920
reality beyond space time out of which

980
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,560
space time emerges as a kind of

981
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,800
projection

982
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,560
now we already made the point that even

983
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,599
if space time is fundamental is real

984
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,599
that these different alien groups could

985
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,839
still utilize structures such as

986
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,040
wormholes

987
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,599
to traverse the immense distances within

988
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,560
the cosmos and in fact according to eric

989
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,440
davis's and jacques villa's paper titled

990
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,760
income insurability orthodoxy and the

991
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,240
physics of high strangeness a six-layer

992
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,720
model for anomalous phenomena which i

993
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,720
discussed by the way in detail in

994
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,480
episode 59

995
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,960
a wormhole could be a portal for any

996
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,720
number of types of groups that we've

997
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,599
discussed today including

998
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,599
extraterrestrials interdimensionals and

999
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,280
time travelers

1000
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,280
but beyond that what i'm saying here in

1001
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,200
terms of the latest cutting-edge

1002
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,040
findings in physics

1003
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,599
if space-time is not fundamental then

1004
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,760
these others wouldn't even need

1005
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,000
wormholes they could manipulate the

1006
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,280
projection that is space-time directly

1007
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,440
and that pretty much opens up all

1008
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,920
possibilities and would explain a lot of

1009
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:45,599
what we're seeing with the ufo

1010
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,200
phenomenon general paranormality and psi

1011
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,560
phenomena

1012
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:52,960
all of which seem to violate the common

1013
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,079
sense rules of the space time construct

1014
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,390
and now i'd like to leave you with a few

1015
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,400
concluding points

1016
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,000
you may have noticed that drawing

1017
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,400
conclusions about the nature of the who

1018
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,200
and the how of the ufo phenomenon

1019
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,520
very much depends on the trustworthiness

1020
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,320
of our contemporary model of reality

1021
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,800
which i have stated is at the very least

1022
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,440
woefully insufficient and perhaps even

1023
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,680
largely misleading

1024
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,520
that said i still think this is very

1025
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,079
much a worthwhile endeavor and that by

1026
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,040
probing the outliers in our data sets we

1027
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,839
end up stumbling across new ideas not

1028
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,760
just about the nature of these others in

1029
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,920
our midst but also regarding the

1030
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,880
ultimate nature of all that is

1031
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,280
and this gives birth to new models that

1032
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,320
we end up adopting until they too start

1033
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,880
producing outliers that hint at an even

1034
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,119
deeper level yet

1035
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,359
notice here that the analogy of an onion

1036
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,800
comes to mind

1037
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,480
it's not so much that our models are

1038
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,720
wrong as that they are incomplete

1039
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,119
partial and only true within certain

1040
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,359
constraints or parameters

1041
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,440
to be clear this may very well speak to

1042
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,400
the nature of reality itself that it too

1043
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,280
is more like an organism less mechanical

1044
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,079
than often imagined and operating not

1045
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:14,960
under the constraints of laws but rather

1046
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,079
of habits habits that also evolve over

1047
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,920
time as rupert sheldrake has suggested

1048
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:23,920
and of course we are part and parcel

1049
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,560
within that we too are part of the very

1050
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,960
stuff we're trying to understand

1051
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:31,680
and by studying it probing it exploring

1052
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,880
it we are likely expanding it in other

1053
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,560
words we are not merely passive

1054
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,119
observers this was one of the main

1055
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,119
revelations arising out of quantum

1056
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,839
experiments that happened 100 years ago

1057
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,960
now

1058
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,359
while some grow frustrated by this lack

1059
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,680
of certainty and stasis

1060
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,400
i tend to take a very different approach

1061
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,960
my attitude is one of excitement because

1062
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,040
what this guarantees is that the

1063
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,200
adventure never ends

1064
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,599
and that by embarking on an exploration

1065
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,680
into what ultimately is

1066
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:05,680
we may in fact be seating the very

1067
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,880
expansion we are attempting to chart out

1068
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,040
and in this sense we are an extension of

1069
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,839
the conscious cosmos itself which

1070
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,200
progresses in part by seeking to explore

1071
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,720
and understand

1072
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,200
itself

1073
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,680
and on that note we've come to the close

1074
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,680
of another edition of the point of

1075
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,000
convergence podcast if you'd like to

1076
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,319
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1077
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,270
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1078
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,430
but until next time friends from deep

1079
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,359
within the blue ridge mountains of north

1080
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,640
carolina